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Debate Forum Left 11/24/10 : Dayton City Paper

As most of you know, Ohio has been taken hostage by the Party of “No.” Here is a paragraph from an excellent article.

Unfortunately, putting that money back in our taxpayers’ pockets is not a reality. If Ohio’s high-speed passenger rail project is “dead,” then we can kiss our $400 million grant, thousands of jobs, freight rail infrastructure upgrade plans and subsequent economic development opportunities goodbye. New York, California, Illinois, and Florida were among the states quick to raise their hands and ask for Ohio’s piece of the pie. Even the terminator, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger, was in disbelief over Kasich’s statements, announcing “it is with a certain sense of astonishment that we note recent announcements from some of our gubernatorial colleagues that they are uninterested in federal contributions to their high-speed rail systems.” Astonishment is right.

There is something really important in this little item. It looks to the future.

Debate Forum Left 11/24/10 : Dayton City Paper.


Filed under: Passenger Rail Politics, Regional USA Passenger Rail, United States High Speed Rail

2 Responses

  1. The new Governor of Wisconsin(Sock Walker) wants to do the same as Ohio. Putting a stop to the high speed rail. Some 9,000 job are going to be lost because Sock Walker says no to the rail system. At some point in time, money has to stop being the deterrent for progress.This economy needs a boost.High speed rail can do that.

  2. LoboSolo says:

    There are a lot of flaws in this plan but I’ll only touch on a couple.

    From Dayton to Cleveland, according to google maps, is about 210 miles. At 60 mph, and no stops or traffic, that would take 3.5 hours. The train is predicted to run, initially, at an avg speed of 39 mph (hardly HSR!). Assuming that includes the stops and the distance is the same, then it would 5.4 hours … almost two hours longer … not 19 minutes as stated in the article.

    According to analysis performed by Ohio’s state auditor, operating losses for future budgets, shortfalls may be as much as $8 billion … billion with “b” (I think that’s for the whole 3c). I read that at projected the ridership (which usually fails to materialize) it would require a subsidy of $35 for every ticket sold. When you have a state budget that is strained, then every dollar diverted to subsidize the 3C train is a dollar taken away from other high or higher-value infrastructure projects and programs like Medicaid, libraries, etc.

    An examination of the jobs that a similar proposal would make in Wisconsin showed that jobs were being triple-counted. The actual number of jobs would be about a 1/3 of those given.

    Now … The question, that I don’t know the answer to, is how much will Ohio need to kick in? Must it match the $400 million or not. If the answer is no, then take the money until it runs out and then re-evaluate the project at that point in time as to whether it should go forward or allowed to die.

    Remember, Ohio voters turned down a tax proposal back in the ’80s for HSR. Would it pass it put a vote now?

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